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The Maverick Paradox Podcast is a twice weekly show where Judith Germain demonstrates that Maverick Leadership exists everywhere, through her conversations with a diverse array of guests.

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May 31, 2024

In today's conversation Judith Germain speaks to Mark Nesbitt and Thomas Lebor from New Leaf on leader's decision making. Mark and Thomas introduce themselves as long-time business partners who have started and run several companies together over the past 24 years. 

They discuss their previous ventures, including Urban Chill (a massage company) and Urban Leaf (a fundraising company), and how they are now focused on their latest business, New Leaf, which helps other business owners scale their companies effectively.

Key Takeaways

In this conversation the group discusses the key differences between how leaders and managers make decisions. Mark and Thomas explain the decision-making protocol they have developed based on their different personality types and decision-making styles. 

Mark and Thomas are on a mission to empower values led and purpose driven leaders to scale their business effectively and create the life they want. Over 40 years combined experience of starting, scaling and leading businesses, has led them to develop frameworks of practical wisdom; clear principles that can be applied in the real world, resulting in high performance teams and cultures.

You can find out more about our guest and today's episode in this Maverick Paradox Magazine article here.


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